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[freelancer29]
Hey guys, I have a quick question. I'm applying for the class of 2013, I've received my congressional nomination and passed my medical review board.


the question I had is about the Fitness test. how important is it if you don't meet the average scores on some of the events? I didn't meet the average's on the shuttle run, the pull-ups or the push-ups. I threw the basketball 68 feet and ran the mile in 6:35, but everything else pretty much sucked. how much would that hurt my admission portfolio?


my CFA

Basketball throw: 68 ft
Pull ups: 5
Shuttle run: 10:05
Sit ups: 50
Push ups: 42
One Mile Run: 7:29

there aren't minimums posted anywhere
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From: turbopunk
2009-01-29 08:53 pm (UTC)

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granted, i did this shit 15 years ago, and the cft was different then, however.

it's only a huge problem if you didn't pass one of the events. i remember when i took the cft, i was one of 8 people there. i was the only one that passed all 5 events. i destroyed the pull ups, the sit ups, and the jump. however, i passed the push ups and the shuttle run by pretty close to, if not exactly, the minimums.

i still got in, and i wasn't even pq . . .
[User Picture]From: freelancer29
2009-01-29 09:24 pm (UTC)

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the only thing is they don't list any Pass/Fail scores. they only show the maximums and the averages, they didn't list any minimums, so I don't know if I didn't "pass" an event or not.
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[User Picture]From: freelancer29
2009-01-29 11:33 pm (UTC)

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yeah I'm a guy. thanks, but what's the PFT? the long jump and 600 yard run aren't on the CFA
[User Picture]From: creamedcorn
2009-01-30 03:26 am (UTC)

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How do you type that sound you make when you take a deep breath and blow it out slowly through tight lips? That's the sound I made when I saw you were a dude.

As far as getting accepted you'll be fine I'm sure. Remember that the average is the average scores of everyone who is accepted. I'm sure you've got the Academics, leadership and whatnot that they look for that will outweigh the below average CFA score.

The reason I made that sound was the two years I spent as a reconditioning instructor. Don't get me wrong, you've got plenty of time to improve your scores. But if you don't you'll be accepted but you'll be put right onto probation as soon as basic is over. Four degree year is hard enough as it is without that added stress.

So that said! Work on your pull ups, sit ups and push ups. Spend lots of time with your friends and enjoy your last taste of freedom for a while.
[User Picture]From: creamedcorn
2009-01-30 03:34 am (UTC)

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I just cruised through your journal a bit. It's good you're a cross country runner. Don't worry about maxing the PFT because you'll probably never do it if you keep up with the running, but you still need to be able to meet those minimums. Try to get your push ups to 60 or so and it will make basic training a lot easier since the two major things they beat you with are push ups and flutter kicks (with boots on! Where's your cover?)

[User Picture]From: freelancer29
2009-01-30 05:51 am (UTC)

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why could I never max out the PFT if I kept running?
[User Picture]From: creamedcorn
2009-01-30 07:31 am (UTC)

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Well, there are about one or two people each class who do max both the PFT and the AFT, and they get their name on a board in the gym for all time. I've got my name up there for just maxing the PFT, but there's no way I'd ever cap the run time.

To run the mile and a half in 7:45 at that altitude takes quite a bit of training, or a very high pain tolerance. Most people who do long distance running don't have very much upper body muscle mass which is required to do 21 pull ups and 72 pushups in the PFT perfect form. It's kind of a give take. It's possible if you really want to do it.
[User Picture]From: freelancer29
2009-01-30 05:50 pm (UTC)

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yeah, my mile and a half time right now is like 11. and that's down here by the ocean with lots of oxygen. I climbed Rainer last summer and I remember thinking how much that first week of BCT was going to kick my ass cause I wasn't used to the altitude. it was hard enough just walking at 8,000 feet.
[User Picture]From: freelancer29
2009-01-30 05:55 am (UTC)

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honestly since this is my first full year out of college, and not being in sports all year round I've definitely slacked off in the Fitness area. It shouldn't be a problem to catch up on the push ups and sit ups, but I've never been very good at pull-ups.


whats this probation you're talking about after boot camp? and what did you do as a reconditioning instructor?
From: (Anonymous)
2009-01-30 07:23 am (UTC)

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The Academy has several flavors of probation. In no particular order there's your academic, your aptitude (or military), one's athletic, and the worst of all; honor. One goes on Athletic probation if their PEA (physical education average) is below 2.0, though in some squadrons they raise the bar to if you score below 250/500 on the PFT even if get an A in boxing or whatever and you get a 500 on the AFT, since such a low PFT is an indicator that you're close to getting a 2.0 and they don't want you to slip. Each probation a squadron has hurts the squadron's ranking. I'm a bit fuzzy on how each of the three parts are weighed towards the PEA, but something like 60% of it is your PFT score, 25% your class and 15% the AFT, but I could be wrong.

So what's probation and what's a Recondo instructor? Basically when you're on probation you can not leave the Academy grounds until you are off of probation (there are always loop holes). Each probation has its special things you've got to do for them. For Athletic you have to go down to the gym 3 days a week to work out with your squadron's Recondo instructor. They do the best they can to give you individual attention, to push you to your limit while you to maintain good form, and to keep track of your progress so they can help A)vouch for your improvement and hard work so you can stay at the Academy another semester if you fail again or B)have legal evidence that we tried to help you but you didn't try/ just aren't physically able to perform and you should be removed. On top of the mandatory recondo workouts if you're on probation you have to run on your off days (or lift depending on the person, most people on it are fat and need the running but there are skinny guys too who just need more muscle)

So because I did well at the PFT (and I wanted access to my own little gym with a keypad on the door) I was a recondo instructor for my last four semesters on The Hill. The job involves a bunch of busy paperwork, and about six hours a week of your time. If you have a hard time motivating people, or the person talks back/doesn't want to work hard/ is a senior with you and your friend and vomits after every hard run... it's a tough job to do. But I did it because if they don't shave those seconds and lbs off they're not going to graduate.


[User Picture]From: creamedcorn
2009-01-30 07:25 am (UTC)

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Oops, that was me, I forgot to log in.

Also; it's BCT. No one calls it boot camp.
[User Picture]From: freelancer29
2009-01-30 05:52 pm (UTC)

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yeah, I don't really have a doubt that I could pick it up and do well at BCT, I'm just wondering how much those CFA scores are going to hurt my chances of Admission.


just out of curiosity, what were your back-up schools?
[User Picture]From: freelancer29
2009-01-30 05:58 pm (UTC)

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and my ALO has somehow disappeared off the face of the earth, otherwise I would ask him about all this.
[User Picture]From: creamedcorn
2009-01-31 01:02 am (UTC)

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I agree with Femmefatale5523.

USAFA was one of my back up schools. I wanted to go to West Point, and I got accepted there in December 2003, but I changed my mind at the last minute in April of 2004... and now I'm going to start pilot training in three weeks. How crazy is that? I also was accepted to McGill University's science department, UVA, William and Mary, Virginia Tech, George Mason... and one uber safety which I can't even remember. I should have applied to an Ivy League, but I would have just turned them down to go to one of the Academies.
[User Picture]From: whibouchard
2009-03-10 05:46 am (UTC)

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I had about a million back up schools because I only wanted USAFA and nothing else. West Point, USNA, Carnegie Mellon, Georgia Tech, Virgina Tech, Northeastern, Case Western.... I had applied to 10 schools total and got into them all, I can't seem to remember the last two. Depending on what state you're from though, if you have your nomination, you'll probably get in just fine. Good luck!!
[User Picture]From: whibouchard
2009-03-10 05:42 am (UTC)

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There's also the possibility that they'll review your package and if your CFA scores are really bad but they want you to get in based on everything else, they'll have you take the CFA again. It's worth so little on the overall score of your package though, so I wouldn't worry about it. If nothing else, use it as a wake up call. Push ups and pull ups can make or break you on the PFT once you're here, and I personally think improving push ups is relatively easy and the pay off is huge. Same goes for sit ups. Your freshman year is hard, and being on Recondo (if you fail the PFT when you get here) makes it that much harder because it takes more of your precious free time away from you and just adds another duty to your already very demanding days. If you do find yourself in that position however, keep a positive attitude and work your ass off. The people working that program chose to be there because they want to help, even if it might not always seem like that. Work hard and give it your all and it's not likely you'll fail to the point that they kick you out.